RealTesla
Posted: https://old.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/14n7fhp/meta_announcing_realteslalemmyworld/ With the #RedditBlackout June event and /r/RealTesla opening back up, I think the community needs a meta-discussion. I'll make the first move with this post on Lemmy.world. First and foremost: if a user wishes to choose the default option of staying on Reddit... that's fine. This is likely the default choice for many posters and commenters and you'll get no qualms from me if this is your decision. Alas, a subset of the community will need to think of migration options. Some of us simply do not find Reddit Administrator's stance compatible with our morals and are seeking new internet homes. I hope that this guide will open the discussion of migration (to where? Pros/cons?). I've mostly played with Lemmy during the #RedditBlackout, so I'll be sharing my experiences here. I also have heard whispers of other options, that I'll briefly cover at the bottom of this post. I have to imagine that people out there are on the fence about these migration options. I'm here to answer your questions, based on my experience with Lemmy. Both the goods, and the bads. !realtesla@lemmy.world --------------- https://lemmy.world/c/realtesla -- This is where I, Dragontamer5788, have experimented with Lemmy for the past few weeks during #RedditBlackout. As a "Fediverse" community, it is accessible from many, many different servers: * https://kbin.social/m/realtesla@lemmy.world * https://lemmy.ca/c/realtesla@lemmy.world * https://sh.itjust.works/c/realtesla@lemmy.world https://lemmy.world is the "home" server of !realtesla, while there are "Federation" pacts with many other servers to smoothly allow the discussion (posts, comments, upvotes, moderator actions, etc. etc.) and keep the states all in sync. The Fediverse's goal is to provide a social media replacement in general. And the Lemmy and kbin sub-communities of the Fediverse are trying to replicate a Reddit-like discussion environment. Federation adds a little bit of new complexity due to the different-servers. See next section for more details on that. Musings on the Choice of Home Server ---------------------- Users, and communities, should pick a home server which has a reasonable and trustworthy administrator. The good news is that most administrators are reasonable people in the Lemmy-verse. So you can mostly just pick at random and... probably... be fine. sh.itjust.works, lemmy.ca, lemmy.world are all fine picks. https://kbin.social deserves special mention: its part of kbin project, not Lemmy, but they seek some degree of compatibility, and https://kbin.social/m/realtesla@lemmy.world works. I don't know how many bugs that federation has however, but it could be an option if kbin looks better to you! I picked https://lemmy.world as !realtesla's home because I was just following the #RedditBlackout crowds to this server. Upon my last few weeks of experimentation, I've discovered Lemmy.world has become the frontrunner due to open-registration policy, and trust in @Rudd, the main administrator. @Rudd has successfully run the mastodon.world server through the Twitter Migration last year and still runs Mastodon.world today. Politically I'd describe everyone here as moderate-left. https://beehaw.org is a left hangout spot that is expected to refederate with https://lemmy.world eventually. Beehaw.org's closed community style means that only the administrators can create communities (aka: subreddits), making Beehaw.org the most curated of all sites in Lemmy. You will be cut off from https://lemmy.world/c/realtesla for the near future however, but the highly-curated high-quality communities (albeit left-leaning) are clearly an advantage and I suggest you to check them out too, despite the fact that they can't access https://lemmy.world/c/realtesla . Long term hopes is that automated moderation tools of lemmy improve enough to give this small team of admins/moderators the ability to open back up to a big instance like lemmy.world. https://sh.itjust.works seems to lean more right / libertarian than other servers. They also seem to be defederating from lemmygrad (aka: tankie-communists) and exploding-heads (aka: right-wing trolls), so their administrators seem to have a good grasp on decision making. I feel like a number of /r/RealTesla commenters would be more comfortable here, rather than the left-leaning other instances. https://programming.dev is perhaps the largest programming-specific instance on Lemmy so far. There are other boutique servers, such as https://mtgzone.com, https://dormi.zone, and https://startrek.website, which have grabbed a large number of users and have successfully migrated to their own server-specific community. https://lemmy.ca is a Canadian specific server. Today there seems to be glitches in the federation between lemmy.ca and lemmy.world however, but hopefully the administrators figure out the issue! I bring this one up to note that even when "Federated", software bugs can prevent posts, comments, and upvotes from traversing between servers, so picking your "home server" has a degree of importance... especially during bug-fixing times. Not everything is pleasant. exploding-heads.com just caused an upstir as they've proven themselves to be administrated by far-right wing trolls, and have been defederated from https://lemmy.world. Also on my RADAR is lemmygrad.ml, a far-left communist tankie server. They seem to mostly keep to themselves and aren't invoking troll campaigns, but there's a number of instances that have already chosen to defederate from them purely on political grounds. (https://lemmy.world has kept this connection up). I see defederation as a new tool in the toolbelt for administrators, where an entire server can ban all the users from another server en-masse if those users cross the line. Defederation therefore makes me optimistic: seeing the new possibilities available to handle online trolls and help moderate the discussion, and help build the communities we want. I recognize its not for everyone, but I'm overall optimistic for this environment and want to participate. Bugs and issues --------------- Lemmy is... not the best written software yet. It reminds me of 2008-era Reddit that's constantly falling over itself as more-and-more users join (Digg migration event anyone?). https://lemmy.world in particular is the largest Lemmy today, and we're seeing bugs here that don't exist on other servers. 1. Federation bugs -- Lemmy.world requires thousands of background threads/workers to sync posts to-and-from other servers, due to its large size. If you use https://lemmy.world/c/programming@programming.dev (ie: the Lemmy.world portal to programming@programming.dev), your posts, upvotes, and comments could be delayed. In some cases, bugs with https://lemmy.ca has trapped my posts for _days_ of delay. I've notified the administrators of this problem, hopefully they'll figure out the issue. 2. Lemmy UI bugs -- Error-handling is poor. If you sign up for a new username and the email fails for whatever reason, spinning-circle forever. If you have a password that's too long, spinning-circle forever. If the topic is too big, spinning-circle forever. If the community is too big, spinning-circle forever (but your post/comments go through). Lemmy was in an alpha/beta state and isn't quite ready for the #RedditBlackout. But if you are familiar with the bugs, you're more or less able to talk to the home-server just fine. 3. Lemmyisms -- Pulling in a remote community is a manual job invoked by the search menu (!!!). This means that if you can't see a community you know exists, you need to invoke a dance with the search-bar to get the https://lemmy.world server to federate to that community. I haven't figured out the full details myself. But this, in combination with #1 bugs and #2 bugs makes for a frustrating experience. A number of these bugs were trying to be fixed in .18, a new version of Lemmy aimed for deployment for the July 1st rush. I... don't think .18 will make it to Lemmy.world in time for the July rush though, so we'll just have to live with these bugs. How to Sign Up for Lemmy.world ----------------- This needs a guide because of how many bugs there are in Lemmy. 1. Do not use an underscore in your username. If you do, the signup GUI glitches out and "spins forever". 2. Do not use a password longer than 20 characters. If you do, the signup GUI glitches out and "spins forever". 3. Pray and hope the verification email gets delivered. If the process of emailing fails, the signup GUI glitches out and "spins forever". 4. If the verification email gets partially delivered, the GUI will succeed, but you'll have "spins forever" problems when you try to post. If you have any issues, contact me and I'll try to relay a message to https://lemmy.world administrators to fix your account. Other Migration Options --------------- kbin, especially the https://kbin.social server, is another popular option. It is mostly compatible with lemmy (and indeed: https://kbin.social/m/realtesla@lemmy.world proves that they can access realtesla discussion). The main issue is that kbin's frontend is entirely different, links written in "Lemmy-style" will not work on kbin.social's UI. There's specialized communities: such as https://squabbles.io, https://lobste.rs, and https://tildes.net/. Unlike Reddit, these sites are aiming at smaller growth, so its more difficult to sign up for these communities. Like https://beehaw.org, without the hopes of future federation, they have strong moderator teams and seem to have built a good community.
I'm Dragontamer, a long time member of /r/RealTesla. Although I've never had moderation duties on the subreddit, I think most /r/RealTesla posters would recognize me. Like many other Communities created this week on Lemmy.world, /r/RealTesla stood with the Reddit moderators and shut down indefinitely. This is a great time for the /r/RealTesla community to experiment with the Fediverse. I admit that I don't know how long our stay here will be, but as day3 of the blackout rolls by, its time to start experimenting with alternative homes. For those from Lemmy.world, /r/RealTesla serves as a grounded discussion of Electric Vehicles without the need to worship Elon Musk. There is a need for a community site where people are allowed to complain about their Tesla problems without getting banned from the mainstream, often Tesla-controlled and moderated, sites. /r/RealTesla serves as that home. A number of "Teslagenial" topics have come up on the regular: Twitter drama, SpaceX drama and the like. As Elon Musk owns these companies, it is somewhat on topic. But I'll work to make sure that the front page remains mostly Tesla based. In general, off-topic chatter is allowed as long as we don't lose our focus on Electric Vehicles, Tesla and such subjects. Rules -------------- All Rules were based in the original /r/RealTesla rules. The most common broken rule is Rule#5: All Links must include the original title of the content. Editorializing is bad enough on the internet as it is, we don't need to make it worse by adding our own personal bias to it. Just link the original article and include the original title. Rule#3 needed to be changed as "Reddit Flairs" are not yet implemented on Lemmy. Shitposts are allowed, but limited. /r/RealTesla had a sense of humor, but we don't want it to overwhelm the discussion. Feel free to joke or go off topic a bit, but don't overwhelm the front page to the point of distracting the other users. Rule#2, "MetaPosts", are posts discussing /r/RealTesla, its members, or its rules. They aren't off topic, but they are often dramatic. Meta-posts will be welcomed in the GigaThread. It is only the creation of a new topic that needs to be regulated. If you feel the need to call high-notice to your Meta-issue or Meta-discussion, ask the moderators before posting otherwise the topic will be deleted on the spot. Rule#8 might be confusing for long term Redditors or new users from Lemmy. Image Posts commonly were used to circumvent Rule#5, by making a post on Twitter, taking a screenshot of it, and then editorializing a misleading title on top of it. Due to long-term abuse of image posts, this is hard-banned in this community. No "image posts" allowed. You may not have posts mostly consisting of a text inside of a .gif or .jpg picture. Especially if you're trying to circumvent rule#5.
TL;DR: Stellantis vehicles aren't selling. But its still nice to get a few interviews from a dealership, from CEOs, and other parties involved in Stellantis and talk about what they think is the problem. Its a longer-form 15-minute video, but that's a good thing. (If anything, that's short for what they're trying to cover). This isn't Tesla related directly, but overall car economics / competition is on topic around here. And Stellantis is involved in many EVs, PHEVs, and Hybrids that are cross-shopped with Tesla anyway.
futurism.com
Stock down 7.5% today after 10/10 Robotaxi event. Elon arrives nearly an hour late and showed off concepts of a plan of cybercab and cyberbus.
arstechnica.com
Not Tesla but Fisker EVa are famously connected and techno-enabled. As Fisker goes through this bankruptcy, we now have some data points on how always connected cars behave as their servers get shutdown. It's uhhhhh, not looking good.
Title said it all. Anyone else is in this situation?
www.cnn.com
The title to this article is too long. I slightly edited it down slightly bending Rule5. Still, Elon Musk and Kimball Musk both are immigrants who have likely bent or even broken immigration law as they came here to USA.
bradmunchen.substack.com
I have the filing in another topic on this community (Greenspan v Musk topic). But this blogpost / commentary is easier for people to read.
Aaron Greenspan files court documents vs Elon Musk regarding alleged fraud in Tesla.
futurism.com
> "No Alarm, No Notifications to my phone... literally nothing happened just found it like this..." wrote Cybertruck owner Anuj Thakker, who shared the upsetting news on Facebook a few days ago.
jalopnik.com
> At the recent World Robot Conference in Beijing, myriad companies showed up with bots in tow. Robots were making food, playing instruments, even challenging kids at board games. Tesla, however, did nothing of the sort — instead leaving Optimus trapped behind glass. Humanoid robots are stupid. But I'm still happy to see that Tesla's humanoid robot is especially dumb / non-competitive with anyone else.
Oh, and archive.is: https://archive.is/MmKF3 > The $13 billion that Elon Musk borrowed to buy Twitter has turned into the worst merger-finance deal for banks since the 2008-09 financial crisis.
kyivindependent.com
Kadyrov, aka the Chechen leader of the pro-Russian "Tiktok Battalion", has mysteriously gained a Cybertruck despite US Sanctions.
There weren't many Tesla Semis. For one to catch on fire like this is not a good look.
jalopnik.com
Just more FSD / Summon Bullshit, showing off how bad Tesla's sensor suite actulaly is. > As documented on Twitter, the owner used Tesla’s Summon feature to remotely back their Model Y into a parking space, but the car didn’t detect low section of garage, resulting in the Tesla breaking its own back window.
www.rawstory.com
> But Musk later changed his mind, reportedly donating $45 million a month of his money to the pro-Trump political action committee American PAC. `Nuff said. CEOs are often Republican, but to be this outspokenly political is normally a bad thing for CEOs like Musk. Media company heads (and Twitter/X is a media company) are supposed to at least pretend to be neutral. And catering to the far-right seems like a bad idea if your company makes EVs. But what do I know?
futurism.com
> But even as sales for EVs are reaching record highs, Tesla's control over the market is starting to seriously wane, slipping below 50 percent in the second quarter of this year, the New York Times reports. Tesla represented 49.7 percent of EV sales over that period, down from 59.3 percent in Q2 of last year. So EV market has grown, but overall sales of Tesla have declined in both Q1 and Q2 this year compared to Q1 and Q2 respectively of 2023. I feel like "collapsing" is hyperbole though, but that's what the article says. (And clickbait attracts more clicks right?)
The NHTSA recall notice contains a line saying how many Tesla Cybertrucks were affected by the recall. And we know that its "all of them", therefore the number listed is exactly the count of total Tesla Cybertrucks ever sold. > Digging through the numbers also reveals estimated monthly delivery figures. Tesla began low-volume production of the Cybertruck at Giga Austin in late November of last year, and a prior recall notice from Tesla revealed that it delivered 1,163 vehicles in December. That leaves 10,525 vehicles or thereabouts produced by Tesla in 2024, giving Tesla an average monthly delivery rate of 1,754 Cybertrucks, with five days left in June.
A complete recall over all Cybertrucks has been filed at the NHTSA. > On affected vehicles, the front windshield wiper motor controller may stop functioning due to electrical overstress to the gate driver component.
jalopnik.com
Another unintended acceleration issue. Fortunately, no one was injured but the Cybertruck still crashed into a house. This happened in a rich-enough area that it was filmed by someone's doorbell camera. There's apparently 50-foot long line of skidmarks.
sherwood.news
A nice analysis of various satellite images that estimates how many cars Tesla has in inventory.
www.washingtonpost.com
> SAN FRANCISCO — Tesla shareholders re-approved Elon Musk’s controversial 2018 pay package by a wide margin, Musk posted on X Wednesday night, appearing to resolve an uncertainty that has loomed over his future with the company. > A Delaware judge invalidated the package, worth as much as $56 billion earlier this year, arguing that the process that led to the deal had been unfair. As part of the deal, Musk was granted stock options as Tesla hit certain valuation milestones, accumulating massive amounts of shares that led to a record pay deal and played a hand in making Musk the richest person in the world. Hmm, looks like we're in the "lawsuits" stage of the game. I don't expect that Elon can keep his pay package, so its going to go back to the Delaware Judge IIRC. The interesting legal maneuver here is with regards to the Texas move. If Shareholders approve the move to Texas, it'd become a Texas vs Delaware issue. But... there's legal precedent saying that such a move would require 66% of the vote instead of just 50%. I imagine that this alone (the threshold of "move") will itself be subject to debate, and likely end up in Delaware court again before they're allowed to move out. Or maybe not? Legal stuff can be quite sharp. In any case, stay tuned for tonight as the official announcements come out. Things are going to be interesting!!
Elon Musk's Twitter Purchase, not the $44 Billion part, the 5%+ part in March 2022 (when Elon crossed the 5% legal threshold wherein he was required to report becoming a large stakeholder publicly). It sounds like Elon failed to report crossing over this threshold in a timely manner, so this large Twitter-shareholder (Oklahoma Firefighters Pension and Retirement System) is suing Elon Musk. Or so they allege.
> Calpers owns roughly 9.5 million Tesla shares, making it among the electric vehicle maker’s 30 largest investors, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
 The big issue is that Model 3 and Model Y only have 73%ish of the range when brand new, and then after 3 years that drops down to ~64%ish of its advertised range.
This is the big letter from Pension-funds about the upcoming Tesla vote on Elon Musk's pay package, board of directors, and the move to Texas (away from Delaware) as corporate headquarters. Some shareholders, such as the ones who wrote this letter, are very strongly against the $50 Billion (or so) of TSLA shares going to Elon Musk. And the arguments seem valid, based on this letter.