thenexusofprivacy 3h ago • 100%
I personally wouldn't say so -- crossposting isn't the same as two-way communications -- but others might.
thenexusofprivacy 3h ago • 100%
Ah okay, I agree that you need to trust Bridgy Fed from a privacy and security perpective. Also agreed that most people don't know Bridgy Fed exists, and that's a problem. And yes, it would be better for the platforms to have more support for opt-in federation, but alas Mastodon's documentation describes allow-list federation as opposed to their mission ... I asked Renaud a while ago whether that was likely to change and he said no. So, yeah, it's certainly far from a perfect solution.
thenexusofprivacy 3h ago • 88%
Dorsey's not involved in Bluesky any more but I agree that there are lots of reasons not to trust them (including Dorsey's original involvement).
Bluesky's currently a much better Twitter alternative than Mastodon but I totally agree, there's a lot more to social networking than that. I talk about ways I see Bulesky as complementary to the ActivityPub section in the last section, "It's the end of the Fediverse as we know it – and I feel fine"
thenexusofprivacy 3h ago • 100%
Personally I think that the connectivity via Bridgy Fed and Friendica are strong enough that it makes sense to consider Bluesky an instance on the ActivityPub Fediverse. Threads currently has less connectivity, and people in general consider it part of the Fediverse. For what it's worth, in a discussion on Social Hub, Evan Prodromou also said he saw Bluesky as an instance in the ActivityPub Fediverse.
I also think that the ATmosphere is fediverse (descentralized social network) in its own right. So is Bluesky, as well as being part of the AcivityPub Fediverse and the ATmosphere.
But others define the Fediverse differently, https://privacy.thenexus.today/is-bluesky-part-of-todays-fediverse/ goes into a lot of detail on the different views.
thenexusofprivacy 3h ago • 100%
Thanks very much, fixed now!
thenexusofprivacy 5h ago • 100%
You're not the only one who thinks that way -- opinions differ!
thenexusofprivacy 5h ago • 100%
Agreed that Bridgy Fed is opt-in ... I see consent as a good thing, but not everybody agrees.
And yeah, Bluesky's just ike any other instance, you have to trust them with privacy. I think the argument that Bluesky, Flipboard, Threads, and Wordress.com-hosted blogs shouldn't be considered part of the Fediverse is intellectually consistent, I just don't see a lot of people making that argument. But, "the Fedivese" means different things to different people, the followup post Is Bluesky part of today's Fediverse? goes into a huge amount of detail on that ...
thenexusofprivacy 5h ago • 85%
For people who want to join a twitter clone there aren't any good ActivityPub options -- Mastodon's good at other things, but isn't a good Twitter alternative let along clone. And ActivityPub's version of "true federation" isn't the only kind of federation. That said, I agree that AT isn't an option for people who want to join a federating-in-theActivityPub-sense-of-the-word Twitter clone,
thenexusofprivacy 6h ago • 100%
Correct. Dorsey's early involvement is certainly grounds for concern -- the way I think of it, he's gone now but his stench lingers on -- but he's not influential there going forward.
thenexusofprivacy 6h ago • 85%
Yep. And that's far from the only way it could work out badly. I talk about this a bit in the section on "Bluesky is a useful counterweight to Threads"
Bluesky is far from perfect. They're venture-funded, so likely to end with an exploitative business model. They've got a surveillance-capitalism friendly all-public architecture. It's great that Jack Dorsey's no longer on the board but he was.
thenexusofprivacy 6h ago • 66%
Agreed that Bluesky's run by a single corporation so it's different than today's ActivityPub Fediverse, but the Fediverse's historical approach to "open federation" isn't the only approach. Even in the ActivityPub world we're seeing more and more experimentation with allow-list federation.
thenexusofprivacy 6h ago • 77%
Blueksy's approach to decentralization is very different from ActivityPub but it's definitely decentralized. (Also that article's over a year old, and some things have changed since then.). But, like I say in the article, not everybody is so welcoming!
thenexusofprivacy 6h ago • 100%
Bridgy Fed and Friendica already connect Bluesky to the ActivityPub Fediverse.
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/17686207 > > It's a very long post, but a lot of it is a detailed discussion of terminology in the appendix -- no need to read that unless you're into definitional struggles.
thenexusofprivacy 1d ago • 100%
It's a good point, maybe I won't add it after all.
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An updated version, with a bit more about how Bluesky has addressed some of the problems that the 2022 Twitter influx to Mastodon ran into. It's a very long post, but a lot of it is a detailed discussion of terminology in the appendix -- no need to read that unless you're into definitional struggles.
thenexusofprivacy 2d ago • 100%
Interesting, my first reaction is that I also wouldn't have expected it but as you say there's a lot of room in the Fediverse. In Seven Theses On The Fediverse And The Becoming Of Floss, Aymeric Mansoux and Roel Roscam Abbing talk about the Fediverse as "a site for online agonistic pluralism", and this is a good example - radically different views coexisting.
thenexusofprivacy 3d ago • 100%
Mobilizon is a really solid project -- thanks for mentioning it @blaze@feddit.org !
thenexusofprivacy 3d ago • 100%
Thanks, I'll include something about Hubzilla's progress ... the proof of concept Faircamp integration is interesting, do you know if anybody's following up on it?
thenexusofprivacy 3d ago • 100%
Great point, I'll add that.
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Feedback welcome! There's a list of specific questions at the end of the post, but other topics are welcome as well!
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Part 4 of [I for one welcome Bluesky, the ATmosphere, BTS Army, and millions of Brazilians to the fediverses!](https://privacy.thenexus.today/bluesky-atmosphere-fediverse/), but like other posts in the series it hopefully stands on its own)
thenexusofprivacy 6d ago • 100%
Yeah. Well, discussions about stuff like this are good at revealing people to block and ban.
thenexusofprivacy 6d ago • 100%
Yeah it's a very thorough report and makes it very clear just how little excuse there is for FSF and Stallman's other defenders to continue to enable and support his behavior. Agreed that he himself isn't particularly relevant, but his supporters are still very influential in some areas of the open source community.
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Part 3 of [I for one welcome Bluesky, the ATmosphere, BTS Army, and millions of Brazilians to the fediverses!](https://privacy.thenexus.today/bluesky-atmosphere-fediverse/), but like other posts in the series it hopefully stands on its own Contents: * Intro * Let's talk about Meta * Meanwhile, back in reality ... * SWF could potentially be a useful counterweight to Meta (although I'm not holding my breath) * There are many different ways to engage * SWF and the schism within the fediverses * To be continued!
I don't like the clickbait title at all -- Mastodon's clearly going to survive, at least for the forseeable future, and it wouldn't surprise me if it outlives Xitter. Still, Mastodon *is* struggling; most of the people who checkd it out in the November 2022 surge (or the smaller June 2023 surge) didn't stick around, and numbers have been steadily declining for the last year. The author makes some good points, and some of the comments are excellent.
The [Social Web Foundation](https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/113283811345818844) (SWF) is a new non-profit with a mission of "a growing, healthy, financially viable and multi-polar Fediverse”. In TechCrunch, Sarah Perez reported that SWF has "some backing" from Meta as well as Flipboard, Ghost, Mastodon, and others as well as a "large grant" from the Ford Foundation. "In total, SWF is closing in on $1 million in financial support." One of the hot buttons in the discussion is SWF's relationship with Meta. So I set up a series of polls on Mastodon. Here are the options for this one -- I'm not sure how to do polls on Lemmy, so please leave your thoughts in the comments * SWF shouldn't engage with Meta at all * SWF should work with Meta occasionally, when it's necessary * SWF should work with Meta together often, but no formal relationship * SWF should have Meta as a partner, advisor, or some other formal relatoinship, but no funding * SWF should take funding from Meta, but no formal relationship * SWF should take funding from Meta *and* a formal relatiionship
The [Social Web Foundation](https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/113283811345818844) is a new non-profit with a mission of "a growing, healthy, financially viable and multi-polar Fediverse”. In TechCrunch, Sarah Perez reported that SWF has "some backing" from Meta as well as Flipboard, Ghost, Mastodon, and others as well as a "large grant" from the Ford Foundation. "In total, SWF is closing in on $1 million in financial support." Here's a series of Mastodon polls about SWF. I'm not sure how to do polls on Lemmy, but if you have thoughts, please share in the comments! * [Should SWF be transparent about their funding?](https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/113278692890275790) * [How should SWF engage with Meta?](https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/113283777103763019) * [Should SWF take funding from Meta?](https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/113283811345818844)
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Here's the list: 1. Listen more to more Black people – and amplify their voices 2. Post less – and think before you post 3. Call in, call out, and/or report anti-Blackness when you see it 4. Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects 5. Approach it intersectionally [The full article](https://privacy.thenexus.today/start-making-the-fediverse-less-toxic/) goes into detail, and also has links to anti-racism resources and appendices with a list of common mistakes to avoid and blocklist resources for moderators. Thanks to everybody who gave feedback on earlier drafts!
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Here's the list: 1. Listen more to more Black people – and amplify their voices 2. Think before you post 3. Call in, call out, and/or report anti-Blackness when you see it 4. Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects 5. Approach it intersectionally [The full article](https://privacy.thenexus.today/start-making-the-fediverse-less-toxic/) goes into detail, and also has links to anti-racism resources and appendices with a list of common mistakes to avoid and blocklist resources for moderators. Thanks to everybody who gave feedback on earlier drafts! (Update, 8/19: I changed the wording on #2 to match changes in the underlying article)
In [4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!)](https://lemmy.world/post/18261593) and its cross-posts, quite a few people said things like "maybe racism is a problem on Mastodon, but I don't see it on Lemmy." Then again, plenty of comments in the various threads were in fact examples of racism on Lemmy, so one takeaway is that at lot of people don't see racism even when they're looking at it. And helpful commenters pointed out some of the other patterns of racism on Lemmy. ... but that wasn't really the thrust of that discussion. So I wanted to ask more generally, what are some of the examples you've seen of racism on Lemmy? Quotes and links are great, but also feel free just to describe examples or call out more general patterns!
In [4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!)](https://lemmy.world/post/18261593) and its cross-posts, quite a few people said things like "maybe racism is a problem on Mastodon, but I don't see it on Lemmy." Of course, plenty of comments in the various threads were in fact examples of racism on Lemmy, so one takeaway is that at lot of people don't see racism even when they're looking at it. And helpful commenters pointed out some of the other patterns of racism on Lemmy. ... but that wasn't really the thrust of that discussion. So I wanted to ask more generally, what are some of the examples you've seen of racism on Lemmy? Quotes and links are great, but also feel free just to describe examples or call out more general patterns!
In [4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!)](https://lemmy.world/post/18261593) and its cross-posts, quite a few people said things like "maybe racism is a problem on Mastodon, but I don't see it on Lemmy." Then again, plenty of comments in the various threads were in fact examples of racism on Lemmy, so one takeaway is that at lot of people don't see racism even when they're looking at it. And helpful commenters pointed out some of the other patterns of racism on Lemmy. ... but that wasn't really the thrust of that discussion. So I wanted to ask more generally, what are some of the examples you've seen of racism on Lemmy? Quotes and links are great, but also feel free just to describe examples or call out more general patterns!
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Feedback welcome! Here's the TL;DR list 1. Listen more to more Black people 2. Post less – and think before you post 3. Call in, call out, and/or report anti-Blackness when you see it 4. Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects Other suggestions?